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HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)I apologise again for not speaking loudly enough.14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)Amendments 58 and 59 go back to the principle of proportionality. I know the Minister gave his views on that last week, so I will not go on at length. But there is a difference…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)My apologies. I was explaining the principle behind Opposition amendments 58 and 59, which are in my name. I do not know whether the hon. Member for Eastleigh was present on…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)Amendments 75 and 76 have the same principle behind them, so I will not repeat myself. They relate to clause 69; as hon. Members will recall, clause 69 amends Northern Ireland…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)On a point of order, Mr Dowd, I just wanted to understand. In this morning’s groupings, which were sent by the Clerks, it appeared that not only amendments 58, 59, 75 and 76, but…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)Indeed, it does seem contradictory, if not counterintuitive. It also leaves us with a bizarre situation where, were someone to be a bassoon player, for example, and they wished to…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)I searched quite extensively for other uses of cigarette papers and had not come across that one; that is very interesting. I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman thinks they…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)I am pleased that my hon. Friend has found today interesting. Does he also find it interesting that some of these papers that can currently be bought legally from major retailers…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)I thank the Minister for engaging in this discussion, because although it is somewhat technical to discuss cigarette papers, it is important. The hon. Member for Worthing West…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)rose—14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)My hon. Friend is making a very important point that I had not fully considered: who is responsible where you have a larger corporation with a group of shops beneath? You have the…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)As the Minister says, clause 4 makes it against the law to sell cigarettes that are not in their original packaging, so that individual or small amounts of cigarettes cannot be…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)My hon. Friend is right that the offence of selling a product to a person born on or after 1 January 2009 is something someone could do unintentionally. They could genuinely…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)I thank my hon. Friend for her contribution, and she is right to talk about the quantity. If the principle behind this clause is to ensure that the quantity of sale is such that…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)The Minister says that it has been illegal for some time and that is an offence to sell loose cigarettes, and of course it has been. However, we heard in evidence from the Royal…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)I am going to disagree with my hon. Friend on that point. There will be licensing for tobacco products, and part of the due diligence of setting up to sell such products includes…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)The hon. Gentleman is right, of course, that those selling tobacco products legally now will need to change their signs to have the date of 1 January 2009 on them, as opposed to…14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Fifth sitting)I thank the hon. Lady for that.14 Jan 2025HANSARDTobacco and Vapes Bill (Sixth sitting)That was the second question I considered when preparing for the debate on this clause. My first question was: what is snus? My second was: if it is a tobacco product, why is it…14 Jan 2025