My Lords, there are several styles of advocacy and we have had a good experience of some of them this evening, but in every way those who have spoken before me have been devastating in their unpicking of the ludicrous nature of the clause that the noble Lord, Lord Carter of Haslemere, is seeking to have removed from the Bill. I cannot improve on the gentle forensic approach that he took to the ludicrous nature of this clause. The legal ramifications, its workability and its policy defects are plain on the face of the Bill and I am amazed that any sentient Minister—or any sentient member of any legislature—could come forward with a proposal in the form of Clause 113. It is manifestly absurd. As the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, thoroughly pointed out, the implications of this clause are so obvious for us all to see that it is even surprising that the Government have the nerve to come forward with it and maintain their support for it.
This clause brought me in mind of something—and now I am going to get into my anecdotage. I, too, am a member of the Bar, but I confess that I have never once, at least not knowingly, been in an employment tribunal. But what I do remember is that about 40 years ago I was asked by some visiting Chinese judges to this country to explain the English law of defamation, which I did. After I had given what I thought was a pretty uncontroversial explanation of the law of defamation in this country, one of the Chinese judges said to me, “Hang on a minute, do you mean to say that an individual has a reputation that can be injured and, if injured, he can receive compensation for that injury in the courts of England and Wales?” I said, “Yes, they can. It’s funny, isn’t it?” He said, “But surely no individual citizen, if there is such a thing, has a private reputation—it is subsumed in the interests of the state, subsumed in the Communist Party of China”. The possibility of bringing a libel action as an individual was just foreign to him and quite puzzling.
If your entire personality is a creature of the state, I suppose that you would support Clause 113, because it is the state that takes over your personal autonomy and makes all the decisions about whether to sue or not to sue, whether to bring proceedings or not to bring proceedings, and whether to give evidence, as my noble friend Lord Murray so graphically explained a moment ago. Why should we, on behalf of the people of this country, tolerate what is little more than an Orwellian intervention in the private lives of the citizen? I cannot believe that the Government have any decent excuse or explanation for this—to use the technical term that my good friend the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, introduced into the debate a moment ago—“bonkers” piece of legislation. The Bill has plenty wrong with it as it is. If we are not to laugh at the Government, not to ridicule the Government and not to lose such little respect as many of us still have for the Government, I suggest that they remove this ludicrous clause.